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« on: December 21, 2007, 03:49:15 PM »

In the spirit of this end of the year period but to remain within the domain of PALANTH discussion group, I assume that human being must have organized very early in time ceremonies to celebrate the shortest day of the year in winter and the longest in summer.

But is there evidence that they did so? And if yes how far back was it? Chalcholithic? Neolithic? Mesolithic? Palaeolithic?

Did any one here look into that question?

It is not just a facetious way to wish you all my season greatings... It would be a definitive sign of symbolic thinking linked to nature's cycles...

All the best any way to all of you.

Paul Trehin
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« Reply #1 on: December 24, 2007, 11:16:23 AM »

Of course, the earliest (ca 25,000 BCE) "possible" physical evidence  of human astronomy was (is) the lunar counts on bones which Alexander Marshack documented in his book "The Roots of Civilization", which met with widespread scepticism when it was published in 1971. I bought my copy of his book remaindered, and later mentioned that fact to him when I coincidentally met him at a conference - looking back now, that was probably not the right thing to mention to him.

The earliest surviving (because it is stone) henge structure is from the Egyptian western desert, from the cattle hunters, ca. 8,000 BCE, if memory serves - sadly I can't remember the site's name off the top of my head now. Most likely this henge had wooden European antecedents preceding the Sahara River cultures. But then these would have been of wood, thus leaving little physical evidence, none of  which has been discovered (yet).

Certainly, after the 10,900 BCE cometary impact(s) human interest in astronomy must have grown. Incidentally, the dragon first appears in Chinese iconography about 8,000 BCE, most likely timed with -possible- North American end-paleo smaller ocean cometary impact(s) ca. 8,350 BCE.

Culturally, nearly every northern society had food sharing celebrations at the winter food minimum, just to make sure everyone would get through.  In some of the Eastern Woodlands cultures the sharing of preserved food may have taken place about November, after the autumn hunts but preceding the bad weather.

In any case, happy solistice celebration - the sun will return soon
E.P. Grondine
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« Reply #2 on: December 25, 2007, 03:39:10 PM »

Thank's E.P.

Well, I guess that finding evidence of any kind of celebration dating further back than the Neolithic is probably a myth... And even then, dating it at a particular season may even be a harder feat... Even though the presence of some types of animal bones or various polens might be telling more about the season than about the thousand of years...

I am also concious of the problem of  loosing organic matters evidence. Yet, considering the pervasive celebration of solstices over the world in the most primary cultures leads me to believe that these must have been very anciant practices, probably even during the Palaeolithic and perhaps even earlier than that.

Well who knows what new research will allow us to discover...

Yours sincerely.

Paul
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