The Buttermilk Creek Site

[Charlie Hatchett]

The Center for the Study of the First Americans (Waters et al.) reports half of a lanceolate form projectile point, fractured longitudinally, was recovered from The Buttermilk Creek Site in what appears to be secure preClovis deposits (fine-grained alluvial sediments) and resembles points recovered from Florida and East Coast sites:

Page-Ladson-

"...Figure 5.6 Page-Ladson Points from Florida...........................................44..."

http://etd.lib.fsu.edu/theses/available/etd-03272006-134722/unrestricted/Farr_MA.pdf

Cactus Hill-

http://www.centerfirstamericans.com/photos/albums/userpics/10001/5~0.jpg

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/afw238.bmp

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/afw239.bmp

Meadowcroft-

http://www.explorepahistory.com/images/ExplorePAHistory-a0h5t5-a_349.jpg

http://www.athenapub.com/meadtool.GIF

http://cayman.globat.com/~bandstexas.com/afw242.jpg


Another thing reported is “biface/cores” have been recovered in secure strata, apparently underlying Clovis deposits, in the Pleistocene alluvium at Buttermilk Creek. A number of these have been recovered from apparent preClovis strata at the site I’m researching (about 20 miles from Buttermilk Creek, also in alluvial deposits):

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?t=9&start=0&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=9&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=9&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=6&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=82&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=2&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=82&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=3&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=82&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=4&mforum=nohandaxesinus

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=82&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=5&mforum=nohandaxesinus

Bladelets (small slender flakes about 1 inch long and 1/8th to 1/4th of an inch wide) along with a bladelet core have also been recovered from the putative Buttermilk Creek preClovis deposits. Bladelets and bladelet cores have also been recovered from the site I’m researching:

http://www.phpbb88.com/nohandaxesinus/viewtopic.php?mforum=nohandaxesinus&t=39&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=29&mforum=nohandaxesinus

I anxiously await images from Waters’ so I can compare them with my local finds.

In summary, possible preClovis artifacts are being reported from formal excavations at Wilson-Leonard (Collins), Gault (Collins) and Buttermilk Creek (Waters), all within a twenty-mile radius and all situated on the Brazos River drainage system. Other formally excavated sites situated on the Brazos River drainage system are Horn Shelter, Blackwater Draw, and Lubbock Lake.
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Charlie Hatchett

PreClovis Artifacts from Central Texas
www.preclovis.com
http://forum.preclovis.com

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi Charlie -

How does this compare with Sandia? Has anyone gone back there, or for that matter gone back through the excavation records? Will Hibbens ever be  fully "re-habilitated"?

Ed

[Charlie Hatchett]

Last study I read on Sandia Cave concerned the bones found there. However, no dating was conducted. I'll see if I can dig up the reference.

[E.P. Grondine]

Last study I read on Sandia Cave concerned the bones found there. However, no dating was conducted. I'll see if I can dig up the reference.

Hi Charlie -

I see in the discussion of this piece that you are trying to straighten out Paul on the population effects of the Holocene Start Impacts:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/modules.php?name=Articles&file=article&sid=86

You also might want to check with Tony DeRegnaucourt on quarry use before and after 10,900 BCE:

http://www.aroundaboutbooks.com/ohio_authors

Paul knows damn well that the deposits which Frank Hibben observed were destroyed by the same hydraulic mining operation that uncovered them, and Paul knows that Hibben was wounded so severely in action in WW2 that he could not do much to defend himself when he came under attack  when his observations were used by Velikovsky for his mess  "Worlds in Collision". 

Pointing to a nearby deposit which is not the same as the one Hibben observed is not fair to Hibben. Paul' s pulled this stunt before, and someone needs to call him on it. 

Was it a feather which was weighed against one's sins in the Hall of Maat? I'm afraid I can't be of much help in rehabilitating Hibben , as I'm sidelined with my stroke. But Paul's action to Hibben there is just not fair, however many words he uses to do it.

E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas

[Charlie Hatchett]

Here's my response to a recent post of Paul's:

http://www.hallofmaat.com/read.php?1,491005,491121#msg-491121


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Charlie Hatchett

PreClovis Artifacts from Central Texas
www.preclovis.com
http://forum.preclovis.com