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« on: January 27, 2003, 05:08:25 PM »

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Shigueo Watanabea, Walter Elias Feria Aytaa, Henrique Hamaguchia, Niède Guidonb, Eliany S. La Salviab, Silvia Marancac and Oswaldo Baffa Filho. 2003. Some Evidence of a Date of First Humans to Arrive in Brazil. Journal of Archaeological Science 30(3): 351-354

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A calcite formation was found on a rockwall painting at Toca da Bastiana rockshelter at Serra da Capivara National Park, Piaui, Brazil. Thermoluminescence and EPR dating of this calcite gave an age of 35 to 43 ka, indicating that humans lived there prior to 35 ka ago. This result supports the radiocarbon dates ranging up to 48 ka BP found earlier for this site.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2003, 09:34:00 AM »


Now that the New Topic feature is functioning again (thank you):

[This is bound to cause controversy]

Shigueo Watanabea, Walter Elias Feria Aytaa, Henrique Hamaguchia, Niède Guidonb, Eliany S. La Salviab, Silvia Marancac and Oswaldo Baffa Filho. 2003. Some Evidence of a Date of First Humans to Arrive in Brazil. Journal of Archaeological Science 30(3): 351-354

Abstract

A calcite formation was found on a rockwall painting at Toca da Bastiana rockshelter at Serra da Capivara National Park, Piaui, Brazil. Thermoluminescence and EPR dating of this calcite gave an age of 35 to 43 ka, indicating that humans lived there prior to 35 ka ago. This result supports the radiocarbon dates ranging up to 48 ka BP found earlier for this site.


Many thanks for passing this on. I had heard that new dates were coming out, but had not be told about the "when" and "where". Together with other types/levels of evidence presented by various authors and briefly discussed here and in the old Palanth-l list, the dates reinforce the notion of a relatively lengthy Palaeolithic exploration and occupation of the New World. Not only do they, once again, fly in the face of the Clovis First hypothesis, but, given the geographical position of the site under discussion and others that have yielded early dates, they serve to put a damper on the (very uncritical) enthusiasm that many people have recently developed relative to what I will call, from now on, the “maritime blitz” hypothesis.

As for the “controversy” question, well, I would just like to say, at this time, that the fact that the authors have managed to have their information published in a real scientific journal (a bit of sarcasm, here) should lead, one would hope, to some sort of response. Whether it will be “benign neglect” or the usual assassination attempt (which is pretty much the same thing -- a bit of cynism, here) is another story.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2003, 10:05:31 PM »

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...  but, given the geographical position of the site under discussion and others that have yielded early dates, they serve to put a damper on the (very uncritical) enthusiasm that many people have recently developed relative to what I will call, from now on, the ?maritime blitz? hypothesis.
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Terribly sorry about quoting myself, here, but in reference to the "others [sites] that have yielded early dates", one might want to have a look at the work carried out by Agueda Vilhena Vialou, Denis Vialou and colleagues in various sites of the Brazilian Matto Grosso. A fair bit of (very well presented) information is available here.

The site happens to be a French one (I certainly will not apologize for that), but it does come with a useful English abstract. One should also have a look at the bibliography whose titles, if I am not wrong, never pop up in the North American literature concerned with the issue of the earliest peopling of the New World.

Finally,  in the same vein, I think I should mention that the Inaugural Issue of PALANTH (the Journal) will soon be presenting a very positive review (by Paul Bahn) of Fabio Parenti's recent opus on Pedra Furada.

More later, if I have time.

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2003, 01:01:15 PM »

Jacques, thank you for the information regarding the upcoming review on Pedra.

I have gone through Watanabe et al.'s article (Some evidence of a date of first humans to arrive in Brazil. JAS, March 2003) and I see, to my unknowledgeable eye in America prehistory (my area is Africa and the Near East), problems.

I'd like to make it clear before I begin that my knowledge of the chronology, stratigraphy and indeed the remains found within the site of Pedra Furada is not up to standard. I'm having to conduct some background research on the Net, which has obvious limitations in itself. I am interested to a degree in the occupation of the Americas but not to the extent of reading through more than excellent summaries (the conference collection of papers, "The First Americans", plus journal article summaries) and one or two actual site reports (Meadowcraft).

During my search I am across this university
url available here which provides a very short summary. The first thing which caught my eye was the attribution of the rock art to the "Serra Talhada Phase (6,000 - 10,400 years ago)". Unless two or more periods of rock art painting are proposed for Pedra Furada, this is in contradiction to other information onhand:

"At the painted rockshelter site of Pedra Furada (Split Rock) in Piaui, the flaked stones, red-stained rock clusters, and charcoal radiocarbon-dated as early as 30,000 yr B.P. (Guidon & Delibrias 1986), appear to be products of natural processes 9Lynch 1990; Meltzer et al. 1994; Roosevelt et al. 1996: 374, 383). A fragment of painted cave wall found with the charcoal could have falled from the wall deep into the soft, indistinct sand strata. All the usual signs of prehistoric human habitation, such as fragments of burned bones and carbonized food plants, were absent from the early strata." (Roosevelt, Douglas & Brown. 2002. Clovis and Pre-Clovis viewed from South America. In, "The First Americans": 189)

I have found some representations of these rock art paintings  
available here (watch the pop-ups).

Juha has explained the workings of TL dating satisfactorily and therefore there is no need for me to go over them again. An explanation of EPR (ESR - Electron Spin Resonance) can be found at url available here. While Juha opted to discuss the TL dating separately, I would like to take a different approach as I feel my comments can be applied equally to both the TL and ESR dates. This isn't the most convincing article I have read and whilst the resulting dates are suggestive, questions remain in my mind. It's only at the end of the article that we learn that the first calcite sample dated back in 1991 wrought a ESR date of 27kya in terms of that sample deriving from the bottom of the calcite formation. Returning to the actual calcite formation, the authors state, "The remaining part of the same calcite was used in the presented studies..." However, they simply have not made clear whether (a) the entire remainder of the calcite formation was used up in the study (unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibility - the authors should have stated), or (b) where the samples came from in the formation which were tested.  The positioning of new samples is significant: if the dates derive from the top of the formation then it adds credence to their later claim that "it is likely that the calcite strip on the painting was not formed at once and the end position dated by Baffa Jr is younger than the remaining part dated in the present work"; if however the dated sample(s) was the remainder of the formation or in the middle or nearer the bottom of the formation, it does raise serious questions regarding the reliability of these dates - no calcite formation is suddenly going to slow its growth to that extent and it also means that the remainder of the formation is left undated. We have one TL date and one ESR date. While they are consistent with each other, the fact remains that they do conflict with the earlier ESR date and it remains that even with such confliction the authors did not undertake other sample testing from different areas in a 40cm long formation. While the authors appear to have dealt with the possibility of radiation and contamination from the actual rock face behind the calcite, this is a rock shelter and has contamination in any form been ruled out from water dripping from the ceiling or contamination via other means - no information is given.

If the two ESR dates are taking as representative of the whole formation, which is effectively the alternative to the two-stage growth process that the authors do not explore, than we end up with a situation in which we have an ESR date of 35kya and another ESR date of 27kya. This raises the question of the tolerance error margins inherent in ESR dating, so I turned to Schwarcz & Grun (1993. ESR dating of the origin of modern man. In, Aitken, Stringer & Mellars "The origin of modern humans and the impact of chronometric dating"). In addition, the following from Schwarcz & Grun is valuable scepticism: "At present, the precision of the ESR ages ranges from 10 to 20% of the age and is largely limited by uncertainties in the estimates of internal and external dose rates." If we were to take a 20% error range and apply that to the Pedra Furada ESR dates, we end up with two dates which only overlap at the ends of the error margins. Remember that the authors state "Experimental errors are not included in the Table 1, but an error of about 1550 years is estimated for the TL method. The error is much larger for EPR technique and it is estimated to be about 5000 years."

I would like to know where the old date for the rock art of c. 6000 - 10400 BP came from and if this is part of the standard literature on the site, I would like to know why this was not directly addressed by Watanabe et al. within their article (Some evidence of a date of first humans to arrive in Brazil. JAS, March 2003).

In my mind, problems remain unaddressed which frankly should have been dealt with within this article. I am looking forward to future critiques of this work by scholars who are more familiar than myself with the site. Presently, I would rate these datings of the rock art as possible but far from proven.

My concerns regarding the level of detail within this article is compounded by their two final paragraphs which state: "Neves & Pucciarelli (1991) and Neves et al. (1999) analysed a female skull found at Lapa Vermelha archaeological site in Minas Gerais State, Brazil and concluded that it has Negroid characteristics. It is commonly accepted that the ancestors of North and South American Indians are of mongoloid type. Similar findings were reported concerning human skulls found in Kennewick and Spirit Cave in the United States.
"Although little probable, the possibility of migration from Australia and surrounding islands across the Pacific Ocean or from Africa across the South Atlantic Ocean, more than 50 ka years ago, cannot be discarded."

The two references given for Neves are:
Neves, W. A. & Pucciarelli, H. M. (1991). Morphological a?nities of
the first Americans: an exploratory analysis based on early South
American human remains. J. Hum. Evolution 21, 261?273.
Neves, W. A., Powell, J. F. & Ozolins, E. G. (1999). Modern human
origins as seen from the peripheres. J. Hum. Evolution 37, 129?133.

The female skull mentioned is Hominid 1 at Lapa Vermelha IV. I have another article which analyses this remain:
Walter A. Neves, Joseph F. Powell, Andre Prous, Erik G. Ozolins and Max Blum. LAPA VERMELHA IV HOMINID 1: MORPHOLOGICAL AFFINITIES OF THE EARLIEST KNOWN AMERICAN. Morphological Genetics and Molecular Biology, 22, 4, 461-469 (1999). They conclude, "Despite the fact that our research, past and present, does not address time of entry, it has significant consequences for the problem of the ancestral populations involved. The results obtained in this work confirm our previous findings that the first Americans have no special biological resemblance to modern northern Asians. As can be seen in Figure 2, the oldest human skeleton of the Americas shows a strong similarity with modern Africans and Australians. When the comparison is made with Late Pleistocene and Early Holocene fossil hominids (Figure 3), the first known American is surrounded by early Australians and Zhoukoudian Upper Cave Hominid 103. There is no necessity of invoking the occurrence of trans-oceanic migrations to explain the pattern of biological affinities we have been finding for the first Americans. The best way of reconciling the pattern of morphological similarities found in this work with common knowledge about human evolution in East Asia is to assume that both the first Australians and the first Americans shared a common ancestral population in mainland Asia. This ancestral population could well be represented by hominids similar to the Zhoukoudian Upper Cave people (Kamminga and Wright, 1988; Wright, 1995; Neves and Pucciarelli, 1998) and its ultimate origin can be traced back to Africa. The idea that East Asia was occupied by an Australian-like population by the end of the Pleistocene has gained more support recently. Matsumura and Zuraina (1999) described a very well-preserved skeleton from Gua Gunung, Malaysia. The specimen is aged 10,200 B.P. and is said to be a late representative of a non-specialized morphology, similar to Australian Aborigines, in East Asia. If our inferences are correct, the Americas could ultimately be seen as part of the first expansion of anatomically modern humans out of Africa, which started during the beginning of the Upper Pleistocene. Recent acceptance of Late Pleistocene dates for the occupation of the site of Monte Verde, Chile (Meltzer et al., 1997), now suggests that populations colonizing the New World may have crossed the Bering Strait earlier than previously thought. This makes our suggestion still more plausible."
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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2003, 01:16:56 PM »

I realised I had made a critical error by conflating the rock shelters Toca da Pedra Furada and Toca da Bastiana. It is the latter and not the former under discussion, with both being present and having rock art paintings in the Serra da Capivara National Park. In line with this, I'm posting a revised critique below with my sincere apologies.


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I'd like to make it clear before I begin that my knowledge of the chronology, stratigraphy and indeed the remains found within the Serra da Capivara National Park is not up to standard. I'm having to conduct some background research on the Net, which has obvious limitations in itself. I am interested to a degree in the occupation of the Americas but not to the extent of reading through more than excellent summaries (the conference collection of papers, "The First Americans", plus journal article summaries) and one or two actual site reports (Meadowcraft).

During my search I am across this university
url here which provides a very short summary on Pedra Furada. The first thing which caught my eye was the attribution of the rock art to the "Serra Talhada Phase (6,000 - 10,400 years ago)". Unless two or more periods of rock art painting are proposed for Pedra Furada, this is in contradiction to other information onhand:

"At the painted rockshelter site of Pedra Furada (Split Rock) in Piaui, the flaked stones, red-stained rock clusters, and charcoal radiocarbon-dated as early as 30,000 yr B.P. (Guidon & Delibrias 1986), appear to be products of natural processes 9Lynch 1990; Meltzer et al. 1994; Roosevelt et al. 1996: 374, 383). A fragment of painted cave wall found with the charcoal could have falled from the wall deep into the soft, indistinct sand strata. All the usual signs of prehistoric human habitation, such as fragments of burned bones and carbonized food plants, were absent from the early strata." (Roosevelt, Douglas & Brown. 2002. Clovis and Pre-Clovis viewed from South America. In, "The First Americans": 189)

I have found some representations of these rock art paintings url here (watch the pop-ups).

Juha has explained the workings of TL dating satisfactorily and therefore there is no need for me to go over them again. An explanation of EPR (ESR - Electron Spin Resonance) can be found here. While Juha opted to discuss the TL dating separately, I would like to take a different approach with regards to Watanabe et al.'s article on Toca da Bastiana as I feel my comments can be applied equally to both the TL and ESR dates. This isn't the most convincing article I have read and whilst the resulting dates are suggestive, questions remain in my mind. It's only at the end of the article that we learn that the first calcite sample dated back in 1991 wrought a ESR date of 27kya in terms of that sample deriving from the bottom of the calcite formation. Returning to the actual calcite formation, the authors state, "The remaining part of the same calcite was used in the presented studies..." However, they simply have not made clear whether (a) the entire remainder of the calcite formation was used up in the study (unlikely but not beyond the realm of possibility - the authors should have stated), or (b) where the samples came from in the formation which were tested.  The positioning of new samples is significant: if the dates derive from the top of the formation then it adds credence to their later claim that "it is likely that the calcite strip on the painting was not formed at once and the end position dated by Baffa Jr is younger than the remaining part dated in the present work"; if however the dated sample(s) was the remainder of the formation or in the middle or nearer the bottom of the formation, it does raise serious questions regarding the reliability of these dates - no calcite formation is suddenly going to slow its growth to that extent and it also means that the remainder of the formation is left undated. We have one TL date and one ESR date. While they are consistent with each other, the fact remains that they do conflict with the earlier ESR date and it remains that even with such confliction the authors did not undertake other sample testing from different areas in a 40cm long formation. While the authors appear to have dealt with the possibility of radiation and contamination from the actual rock face behind the calcite, this is a rock shelter and has contamination in any form been ruled out from water dripping from the ceiling or contamination via other means - no information is given.

If the two ESR dates are taking as representative of the whole formation, which is effectively the alternative to the two-stage growth process that the authors do not explore, than we end up with a situation in which we have an ESR date of 35kya and another ESR date of 27kya. This raises the question of the tolerance error margins inherent in ESR dating, so I turned to Schwarcz & Grun (1993. ESR dating of the origin of modern man. In, Aitken, Stringer & Mellars "The origin of modern humans and the impact of chronometric dating"). In addition, the following from Schwarcz & Grun is valuable scepticism: "At present, the precision of the ESR ages ranges from 10 to 20% of the age and is largely limited by uncertainties in the estimates of internal and external dose rates." If we were to take a 20% error range and apply that to the Toca da Bastiana ESR dates, we end up with two dates which only overlap at the ends of the error margins. Remember that the authors state "Experimental errors are not included in the Table 1, but an error of about 1550 years is estimated for the TL method. The error is much larger for EPR technique and it is estimated to be about 5000 years."

I would like to know where the old date for the rock art of c. 6000 - 10400 BP came from at Pedra Furada and if this is part of the standard literature on the site, if the rock art is directly compatible with that from Toca da Bastiana and if they are similar then the question becomes why wasn't this discrepancy directly addressed by Watanabe et al. within their article (Some evidence of a date of first humans to arrive in Brazil. JAS, March 2003).

In my mind, problems remain unaddressed which frankly should have been dealt with within this article. I am looking forward to future critiques of this work by scholars who are more familiar than myself with the site. Presently, I would rate these datings of the rock art as possible but far from proven.

My concerns regarding the level of detail within this article is compounded by their two final paragraphs which state: "Neves & Pucciarelli (1991) and Neves et al. (1999) analysed a female skull found at Lapa Vermelha
archaeological site in Minas Gerais State, Brazil and concluded that it has Negroid characteristics. It is
commonly accepted that the ancestors of North and South American Indians are of mongoloid type. Similar findings were reported concerning human skulls found in Kennewick and Spirit Cave in the United States.
"Although little probable, the possibility of migration from Australia and surrounding islands across the
Pacific Ocean or from Africa across the South Atlantic Ocean, more than 50 ka years ago, cannot be
discarded."

The two references given for Neves are:
Neves, W. A. & Pucciarelli, H. M. (1991). Morphological a?nities of
the first Americans: an exploratory analysis based on early South
American human remains. J. Hum. Evolution 21, 261?273.
Neves, W. A., Powell, J. F. & Ozolins, E. G. (1999). Modern human
origins as seen from the peripheres. J. Hum. Evolution 37, 129?133.

The female skull mentioned is Hominid 1 at Lapa Vermelha IV. I have another article which analyses this remain:
Walter A. Neves, Joseph F. Powell, Andre Prous, Erik G. Ozolins and Max Blum. LAPA VERMELHA IV HOMINID 1: MORPHOLOGICAL AFFINITIES OF THE EARLIEST KNOWN AMERICAN. Morphological Genetics and Molecular Biology, 22, 4, 461-469 (1999). They conclude, "Despite the fact that our research, past and present, does not address time of entry, it has significant consequences for the problem of the ancestral populations involved. The results obtained in this work confirm our previous findings that the first Americans have no special biological resemblance to modern northern Asians. As can be seen in Figure 2, the oldest human skeleton of the Americas shows a strong similarity with modern Africans and Australians. When the comparison is made with Late Pleistocene and Early Holocene fossil hominids (Figure 3), the first known American is surrounded by early Australians and Zhoukoudian Upper Cave Hominid 103. There is no necessity of invoking the occurrence of trans-oceanic migrations to explain the pattern of biological affinities we have been finding for the first Americans. The best way of reconciling the pattern of morphological similarities found in this work with common knowledge about human evolution in East Asia is to assume that both the first Australians and the first Americans shared a common ancestral population in mainland Asia. This ancestral population could well be represented by hominids similar to the Zhoukoudian Upper Cave people (Kamminga and Wright, 1988; Wright, 1995; Neves and Pucciarelli, 1998) and its ultimate origin can be traced back to Africa. The idea that East Asia was occupied by an Australian-like population by the end of the Pleistocene has gained more support recently. Matsumura and Zuraina (1999) described a very well-preserved skeleton from Gua Gunung, Malaysia. The specimen is aged 10,200 B.P. and
is said to be a late representative of a non-specialized morphology, similar to Australian Aborigines, in East Asia.
If our inferences are correct, the Americas could ultimately be seen as part of the first expansion of anatomically
modern humans out of Africa, which started during the beginning of the Upper Pleistocene. Recent acceptance of Late Pleistocene dates for the occupation of the site of Monte Verde, Chile (Meltzer et al., 1997), now suggests that populations colonizing the New World may have crossed the Bering Strait earlier than previously
thought. This makes our suggestion still more plausible."
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« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2003, 11:09:05 PM »

With regards to the dating (35-43 ka) of the calcite at Toca da Bastiana to by Watanabe et al. (2003), I note that, as Mike mentions, this piece of calcite was dated earlier by Baffa (1991) to c. 27,000 BP.  From the link leading to the article with the interview of the excavators of Pedra Furada in the recent issue of Athena Review (posted by J. Cinq-Mars on the Palanth-Forum "Links" board, topic: "Pedra Furada & Gault, from the Athena Review"):

http://www.athenapub.com/10pfurad.htm

a cut-and-pasted quote from Niede Guidon:

"Niède Guidon: In 1991 Prof. Baffa from the Physics Department of the University of São Paulo at Ribeirão Preto, dated a layer of calcite that was covering two red anthropomorphic figures at the site Toca da Bastiana (fig.3). The calcite dated to 17,000 years old. In 2000 Prof. Shigueo Watanabe from the Physics Department of the University de São Paulo at São Paulo, dated by TL and ESR the calcium oxalate of the same calcite at 30,000-40,000 BP. Dr. Marvin Rowe from Texas A&M University, however, dated the oxalate crust in 2,540 +/- 60 years BP. So there we have a big problem."

(end of cut-and-paste quote)

This gives a date of "17,000 years old" for the Baffa (1991) calcite dating result.  I'm willing to grant that Athena Review might have (and probably has) mis-quoted the Baffa (1991) date by 10,000 years, but more to the point (Guidon even calls it "a big problem") is the mention here of a previous estimate (of the same "oxalate" crust?) of 2540 +/- 60 years BP by Dr. Rowe of Texas A&M (not mentioned in Watanabe et al. 2003).

Does anyone know of a refutation for the Rowe (Texas A&M) dating at Toca da Bastina?  Should this affect our assessment of the Watanabe et al. (2003) dating?

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« Reply #6 on: March 18, 2003, 08:53:26 AM »

Hopefully, the following will keep this discussion alive.

Paul Bahn, who is a long time supporter of a "longer-than-Clovis" New World chronology has come up with a brief note on the  Watanabe & al. paper and the significance of these age estimates in the larger (Palaeolithic) scheme of the Brazilian Nordeste and, by extension, the New World.

It can be read (and dowloaded) HERE

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« Reply #7 on: March 18, 2003, 09:36:51 AM »

Bahn's report is brief but thought-provoking. He accepts the pre-35kya date recently obtained at Toca da Bastiana and has lent his backing to the view that the early layers at Pedra Furada are the result of human activity. One wonders what his view is on where the first humans arrived from and how.

The most interesting piece for me, as someone who does not know a lot about American prehistory, was the note that the site report for Pedra Furada has finally been published. What has been the reaction to it ?
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Bahn's report is brief but thought-provoking. He accepts the pre-35kya date recently obtained at Toca da Bastiana and has lent his backing to the view that the early layers at Pedra Furada are the result of human activity. One wonders what his view is on where the first humans arrived from and how.

The most interesting piece for me, as someone who does not know a lot about American prehistory, was the note that the site report for Pedra Furada has finally been published. What has been the reaction to it ?


First, I really don't know what Bahn's views are on how this "greater-than" antiquity of the South American evidence can be explained. I suppose we should ask him where he stands on this. For the time being, most people who agree with an actual pre-Clovis presence in the New World are relying very heavily on Dillehay's Monte Verde evidence and appear to be willing to adhere to a new, rather "wet" version of the classic, overland Clovis-first, "blitz" hypothesis. I am obviously referring to the new and very appealing -- to some -- Pacific Coast (littoral) rapid migration model. In my view, both models suffer, at many levels, from major “explanatory” flaws, not to mention that they certainly cannot be used, in their present state, to explain, in a rational way, the “chronological” implications of the Brazilian evidence under discussion.

I should add that, in addition to these two main models, there has also been, recently, a resurgence of the notion that the New World could have been colonized from a multiplicity of trans-oceanic sources (i.e., across the Atlantic or the Pacific). But for the time being, most such very creative suggestions have yet to achieve, in the literature, the status of well articulated models based on relatively solid/serious, well documented evidential foundations.

So, where does that leave us?

Finally, to answer your last question, I’ll just note that there were no reactions, to speak of – especially on the part of the highly vocal and very active and visible North American New World “Palaeospecialists” to the publication of Parenti’s Pedra Furada monograph. A curious and very annoying mix of plain ignorance, silent dismissal, and benign neglect .It is hoped that this will change when the English translation will become available.

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« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2003, 08:25:07 AM »

By the way, the following online Unesco publication should be of interest to people who would feel a need to put the present day discussions on the early colonization of the New World and, particularly South America, in a larger "historical" context.

The paper (and a useful bibliography), written by Alan Bryan, a well known veteran of the New World Palaeo debate, can be accessed HERE

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I should add that, in addition to these two main models, there has also been, recently, a resurgence of the notion that the New World could have been colonized from a multiplicity of trans-oceanic sources (i.e., across the Atlantic or the Pacific). But for the time being, most such very creative suggestions have yet to achieve, in the literature, the status of well articulated models based on relatively solid/serious, well documented evidential foundations.

So, where does that leave us?

Finally, to answer your last question, I’ll just note that there were no reactions, to speak of – especially on the part of the highly vocal and very active and visible North American New World “Palaeospecialists” to the publication of Parenti’s Pedra Furada monograph. A curious and very annoying mix of plain ignorance, silent dismissal, and benign neglect .It is hoped that this will change when the English translation will become available.


A question. Have you read Jon Erlandson's paper in "The First Americans" published proceedings and if so what do you see as his main flaws?

I agree with your last paragraph. With my interest laying in African and Near Eastern archaeology, I like to have an overview of research done in other parts of the world so as not to be left behind in developments. It frustrates me when I read otherwise good reports by Feidel and others and I know they haven't adequately dealt with particular sites. To this end I hope as well that an English translation becomes available otherwise a valuable resource is going to lay neglected and essentially the division between South and North American archaeologists will continue to grow.

Thanks for the link to the UNESCO report.
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« Reply #11 on: March 24, 2003, 08:20:26 AM »

I have one question from reading the UNESCO report. What evidence is there for the burning of areas to maintain grasslands and to stop the encroachment of woodland in North America? Here in Australia it has been a long running debate about to what degree Indigenous Australians used fire to modify the environment, using "fire-stick farming". So far there has been no (to my knowledge at least) hard evidence for fire-modified landscape that can be attributed to humans in Australia.
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« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2003, 11:17:51 AM »


I have one question from reading the UNESCO report. What evidence is there for the burning of areas to maintain grasslands and to stop the encroachment of woodland in North America? Here in Australia it has been a long running debate about to what degree Indigenous Australians used fire to modify the environment, using "fire-stick farming". So far there has been no (to my knowledge at least) hard evidence for fire-modified landscape that can be attributed to humans in Australia.


Some of what Al Bryan is referring to is , I think, based on ethnographic information. Unfortunately, I am not in a position to provide you, at this time, with exact references. I'll get back to you as soon as I can relocate them.

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