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Author Topic: More on the Neanderthal -- H.s.s. debate.  (Read 4083 times)
Dale Hoogeveen
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« Reply #15 on: October 06, 2004, 07:30:43 PM »

Humans tend to be partilocal, meaning the sons tend to stay resident and the daughters tend to set up housekeeping elsewhere.  So in very small local populations replacement of local mtDNA strain by means of immigrant new female breeders can occur in a single generation should there have been a consistant influx from populations of a different mtDNA type.

mtDNA contains no data whatsoever about ancestral contributions to chromosomal traits.  In fact, surviving mtDNA lineages, especially in very small populations where variation cannot be supported, say nothing at all about proportionality even of mtDNA in female ancestry, since any maternal condition passed through a son on the maternal side is transparently discarded right along with all maternal mtDNA expressions on the paternal side.

mtDNA represents only surviving unbroken mother-daughter strings.  There is no proportionality from recombination or recessive allele conservation possible, except perhaps in the extreme minority of cases which are something like several zeros to the right of the decimal before significant digits in any kind of probability and therefore irrelevant in general population dynamics.  mtDNA is the ultimate minimum in ancestral representation.   It shows only a small part of only a single ancestor per generation, and that is all it can show.

Dale

Has there been any simulation work on the possibility of Neanderthal contributions to AMHs? I think a properly laid out simulation could answer how long it would take for mtDNA to be almost invisible, and even provide insights into the general question of how much genetic contribution a small population can make to a much larger one.

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« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2004, 12:56:57 PM »

Has there been any simulation work on the possibility of Neanderthal contributions to AMHs? I think a properly laid out simulation could answer how long it would take for mtDNA to be almost invisible, and even provide insights into the general question of how much genetic contribution a small population can make to a much larger one.

As far as I can remember, the nearest simulation to that which you question was done by:

Nordborg, M. (1998). On the probability of Neanderthal ancestry. American Journal of Human Genetics. 63: 1237-1240.

It might not be quite what you are looking for, but perhaps you'll get a few ideas from it.  It is available free online at:

CLICK HERE

Cheers,
Dar
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« Reply #17 on: October 26, 2004, 09:26:14 AM »

Thanks everyone! I don't know if I mentioned it, but a simulation study in Neanderthal/AMH is likely to be my Master's work. Who knows, it might extend into my PhD, in which case it's probably a very good thing I can speak french. ;)

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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2004, 06:52:37 PM »

Skwirl42 and Dar:

The NOrdberg study is pretty "mathematical", and I don't know enough about the mathematics of it to exactly reject or accept it.  However, it does seem that the paper suggests that on the basis of the modeling Nordberg did, you can neither accept nor reject "replacement".  Neither can you accept or reject "interbreeding".  IOW, it looks like things are still very much up in the air on this issue.  At least to me.
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