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Jacques Cinq-Mars
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« on: July 28, 2004, 04:08:44 PM »

All,

The late but fortunate discovery of Upper Palaeolithic (Magdalenian) engravings inside Church Hole cave (Creswell Crags) deserves attention. As a matter of fact, it has already been briefly brought up in the Forum – see HERE

… and I hope that we will soon be in a position to learn more about it, from sources other than the following Discovery Channel/News piece whose accompanying images can be viewed HERE.

As for “sistinezation” (a likely-to-be-short-lived PALANTH Forum neologism), it essentially refers to the constant media ‘dumbing down’ of (in this case) scientific information which, amazingly or absurdly can also be translated as ‘hype’. This issue has also been touched upon elsewhere in the Forum – - see HERE:

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Ice Age 'Sistine Chapel' Found

By Jennifer Viegas, Discovery News

Discovery Channel - News Brief -July 15, 2004 EDT


July 13, 2004 — An elaborately decorated cave ceiling with artwork dating to 13,000 years ago has been found in Nottinghamshire, England, according to a press release issued today by the University of Sheffield.

The site of the find, Church Hole Cave at Creswell Crags, is being called the "Sistine Chapel" of the Ice Age because it contains the most ornate cave art ceiling in the world. The ceiling extends the earliest rock art in Britain by approximately 8,000 years and suggests that a primary culture unified Europeans during the Ice Age.

Depicted on the ceiling are a number of animal figures that include deer, bears, birds and images that might be of dancing women. An ibex, a type of horned goat thought not to have existed in Britain, is among the overlapping animal images in the cave.

Although archaeologists and other experts have visited the Creswell Crags area numerous times over the years, the cave's vast overhead artwork went undiscovered until recently. Sergio Ripoll, an Ice Age art specialist at the Spanish Open University and a member of the research team who found the cave art, described the moment of discovery to the Times Higher Education Supplement.

"I saw a line and suddenly a head was there," said Ripoll, who later identified the head as belonging to a red deer stag image. "I then said a very big bad word in Spanish — it was so exciting."

Before the find, archaeologists remained in the dark about the artwork because of poor lighting in the cave and the fact that the images appear as subtle bas-relief forms amongst a multitude of rocks and crags. Bas relief — sculpture carved to slightly project from the background — was a sophisticated technique for such early artists.

Ripoll's colleague Paul Pettitt, an archaeologist at the University of Sheffield, believes that the cave carvers belonged to an Ice Age European culture called the Magdalenian, which he says marks the last time Europe was united on a grand scale.

Creswell's artists likely summered in the area of the cave, following the migrating reindeer that may have formed a large portion of their summer diet. During the winter, Pettitt thinks the cave men and women resided along what are now the lowlands near the North Sea, or in the Netherlands or the central Rhine region.

Pettitt further believes they kept in touch with other Ice Age Europeans and that the Church Hole Cave artwork was a way of reaffirming and expressing their shared culture.

While ancient cave art exists in France and other European countries, the British cave represents the most northerly site for the Magdalenians. Pettitt says that 20,000 years ago, Church Hole Cave was just 18.64 miles south of the ice cap.

Perhaps dancing helped to keep the cave dwellers warm. Some debate exists as to the "dancing women" figures on the ceiling, but Pettitt holds firm to his theory that they show women bogeying down.

"You see naked women in profile, with jutting out buttocks and raised arms," Pettitt told Britain's Guardian newspaper. "It appears to be a picture of women doing a dance in which they thrust out their derrières. It's stylistically very similar to continental examples, and seems to demonstrate that Creswellians are singing and dancing in the same way as on the continent."

British historians and art experts have expressed awe and praise for the cave art find, which has been called the most important discovery from the British Paleolithic since the unearthing of 500,000-year-old hominids in Boxgrove during the 1990s.

Jon Humble, inspector of ancient monuments for a preservation group called English Heritage, commented, "The text books say that there is no cave art in Britain. These will now have to be rewritten. It is remarkable to consider that some 500 generations ago people created pictures on the wall of the caves depicting the world that they knew, which certainly was not as we know it."

Plans are in the works to construct a museum and education center at Creswell.





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« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2004, 09:10:43 PM »

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translated as ‘hype’. This issue has also been touched upon elsewhere in the Forum – - see http://www.palanth.com/forum/index.php?topic=243.msg1100#msg1100.]HERE.[/url]

Jacques Cinq-Mars


Dear Jacques, 

I am curious to review this past discussion on dumbing down  or hype, but your conversion to shorten the link doesn't seem to work.  Can you please fix it, so that I/we know what you are referring to?

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Dar
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« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2004, 10:46:41 PM »


Dear Jacques, 

I am curious to review this past discussion on dumbing down  or hype, but your conversion to shorten the link doesn't seem to work.  Can you please fix it, so that I/we know what you are referring to?

Best,
Dar

Dar

Thanks for bringing this up. I don't know what caused this to happen, since the same 'html-short url' code was used in all three cases. A bug, I suppose. Anyway, the program seems to have accepted my correction.

Note that what it will give you access to is simply a brief discussion on the misuse of the 'Sistine Chapel' label in cave art research.

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Jacques



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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2004, 01:54:00 PM »


Note that what it will give you access to is simply a brief discussion on the misuse of the 'Sistine Chapel' label in cave art research.


Thanks Jacques,

I do remember now.  It seems I instigated this discussion, although the "mis-use" of the Sistine Chapel label seems to bother some folks more than it troubles me.  These new Church Hole paintings were discovered on the ceiling after the initial discoveries on the walls, so they are new and I suppose that sensationalism (hype) has more to do with the "sistinezation" (just to keep your neologism "alive") than to  dumbing-down (an issue on which we probably agree wholeheartedly).  It is too bad that newsmedia doesn't usually report the "science" of the story.

But, as my old circus-days elephant boss used to say, "You give the suckers what they want".

Tongue in cheek,
Dar
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2004, 03:32:18 PM »



Thanks Jacques,

I do remember now.  It seems I instigated this discussion, although the "mis-use" of the Sistine Chapel label seems to bother some folks more than it troubles me.  These new Church Hole paintings were discovered on the ceiling after the initial discoveries on the walls, so they are new and I suppose that sensationalism (hype) has more to do with the "sistinezation" (just to keep your neologism "alive") than to  dumbing-down (an issue on which we probably agree wholeheartedly).  It is too bad that newsmedia doesn't usually report the "science" of the story.

But, as my old circus-days elephant boss used to say, "You give the suckers what they want".

Tongue in cheek,
Dar

Dar,

My relative annoyance with this 'Sistinezation" trend results first from my training as a prehistorian, including a deep-seated and everlasting interest in the history of the discipline. Ergo, my position regarding the fact that the 'Sistine Chapel of Prehistory' label, as applied to Lascaux by the Abbé Breuil, is 'eponymic', i.e., should take precedence and not be bandied about, and this, regardless of the quality of the other sites.

As for for the 'dumbing down', -- and I am glad you agree with me on this -- it just happens to be the opposite (hypo) of 'hype' (hyper). Journalism is full of surprises like this.

Jacques
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2004, 06:17:04 PM »

I agree with you Jacques,

Creswell Crags discovery is indeed interesting on several accounts. It is the first in the UK if I'm correct, its style is quite typical of representational animal depictions found elswhere during the Franco-Canrabrique Magdalenian. It is also interesting in demonstrating that there are most likely new decorated caves to be discovered, in Europe and elswhere.

However, at least on the evidence of the few pictures that I have seen, I feel that the comparison to the "Sistine Chapel " seems like a big overstatement.

Note that in my opinion the comparison of Lascaux to the 'Sistine Chapel'  by Abbé Breuil is only valid from an artistic point of view but not from a spiritual point of view. I am less and less convinced that there was a religious meaning to Lascaux art, nor for other ones where highly representative pictures were discovered either.

Several authors start to contest the symbolic content of such representational pictures. I quoted the work of Chayes in the same "parietal & mobiliary art" section of PALANTH. Bednarik,   in his answer to Hodgson excellent paper, that I also quoted here, thinks that there is more symbolic content in non figurative art such as "mark making" of the mid Palaeolithic than in what he calls "Nice pictures".


Sorry I got drifted away from the subject, but I think it is pertinent to the comarison with the Sistine Chapel of some decorated caves, even Lascaux...

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