Copyrighted material

[Forum Administrator]

The Palanth - Forum cannot, for legal reasons mentioned earlier, serve as a repository of papers that are not in the public domain or for which formal permission from the copyright holder(s) cannot be demonstrated. I would like to add that, for somewhat the same reasons, "Palanth.com" is not in a position to condone, on the part of its (Forum) members, blatant statements suggesting that it  may serve as a communication hub for people openly planning copyrighted material trafficking. In other words, if you cannot refrain from engaging in such nefarious activities, please, keep it to yourselves, i.e., offline or, as we say in Canada, carry them out in your own bedrooms.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Palanth Admin.

[Dale Hoogeveen]

The Palanth - Forum cannot, for legal reasons mentioned earlier, serve as a repository of papers that are not in the public domain or for which formal permission from the copyright holder(s) cannot be demonstrated. I would like to add that, for somewhat the same reasons, "Palanth.com" is not in a position to condone, on the part of its (Forum) members, blatant statements suggesting that it  may serve as a communication hub for people openly planning copyrighted material trafficking. In other words, if you cannot refrain from engaging in such nefarious activities, please, keep it to yourselves, i.e., offline or, as we say in Canada, carry them out in your own bedrooms.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Palanth Admin.

Since Palanth.com is setting itself up as a publication organ, I expect that the editors are going to have to do some sort of jurying on the copyrighted material that gets uploaded to its forums as well as what is included in the parent magazine, probably with some sort of documentation of "permission to republish".

Am I wrong in assuming that means that uploading "for purposes
of discussion" with moderators occasionally cleaning up behind lapsed threads (as was done at Yahoogroups) will no longer be possible (at least not by the general membership of the forum)?

Is it valid to assume that uploading of abstracts need not be similarly curtailed, since they are intended for public consumption, provided that you require the authors and the publisher of the full paper are cited?

It seems to me that you have taken on the possibility of increased liability in regard to copyright infringement over what you had as moderators of a group at Yahoo.  You are offering an expanded service and this additional "cost" is really a very small expense to the rest of us.

[Forum Administrator]

First, I must say that this seems to me to be a rather serious response to what was, after all, a simple attempt to pass on a somewhat serious bit of advice couched in an admittedly feeble humorous style.

Since Palanth.com is setting itself up as a publication organ, I expect that the editors are going to have to do some sort of jurying on the copyrighted material that gets uploaded to its forums as well as what is included in the parent magazine, probably with some sort of documentation of "permission to republish".

As far as PALANTH (the Journal) is concerned, it will be publishing, mostly, original material (texts and images) that will have been screened in house by the members of the Editorial Committee and, when necessary, will have been peer-reviewed. Copyright arrangements, in all instances, will be between the Journal and the individual authors. The Journal will offer no means to carry out the kind of uploading/downloading activities you are referring to. It will, however, have a module for the downloading (PDF format) of some of its own content (articles, research notes, etc.). This will only be available to subscribers.

With regards to “uploading” to and, presumably “downloading” from the Forum, see next comment.

Am I wrong in assuming that means that uploading "for purposes
of discussion" with moderators occasionally cleaning up behind lapsed threads (as was done at Yahoogroups) will no longer be possible (at least not by the general membership of the forum)?

The basic policy regarding uploading/downloading (in the context of the Forum activities) has been presented earlier. For a number of reasons, including legal ones, the Forum and, by extension, the Journal cannot afford to perpetuate the situation that existed in the good ol’ days of Palanth-l. Anyway, you know as well as I do that, in the latter case, the situation that prevailed would better be described as “freeloading”, and that the vast majority of the “papers” in circulation were, with or without the “for purposes of discussion” excuse, never actually discussed. To make a long story short, you are not wrong and I should add that I find this as frustrating as you and others do, and that -- if it is to make you and others feel better -- we are looking into the possibility of coming up with perfectly acceptable (legally speaking) alternatives. More on this later.

Is it valid to assume that uploading of abstracts need not be similarly curtailed, since they are intended for public consumption, provided that you require the authors and the publisher of the full paper are cited?

This has also been discussed before. Abstracts, if properly presented, are perfectly acceptable.

It seems to me that you have taken on the possibility of increased liability in regard to copyright infringement over what you had as moderators of a group at Yahoo.  You are offering an expanded service and this additional "cost" is really a very small expense to the rest of us.

Given what has been said before and above concerning the Forum’s position vis-à-vis "copyright infringement", I don’t see how it can lead to "increased liability".

Palanth admin

[Dale Hoogeveen]

Dear Palanth Administrator,

Of course my response was serious.  I had a Calvinist childhood;  so I even take my humor seriously...  

It was not my intention to complain.  This site and your magazine have been set up carefully and your standards explained before and below are very reasonable.  I appear to have given the impression of frustration with them that I do not have.

You move professionally in the areas of copyright and intellectual property;  I do not.  I must plead a certain amount of ignorance those areas and apologize for needing to request additional clarification, which you have provided.

Thank-you.

Dale Hoogeveen

First, I must say that this seems to me to be a rather serious response to what was, after all, a simple attempt to pass on a somewhat serious bit of advice couched in an admittedly feeble humorous style.

Since Palanth.com is setting itself up as a publication organ, I expect that the editors are going to have to do some sort of jurying on the copyrighted material that gets uploaded to its forums as well as what is included in the parent magazine, probably with some sort of documentation of "permission to republish".

As far as PALANTH (the Journal) is concerned, it will be publishing, mostly, original material (texts and images) that will have been screened in house by the members of the Editorial Committee and, when necessary, will have been peer-reviewed. Copyright arrangements, in all instances, will be between the Journal and the individual authors. The Journal will offer no means to carry out the kind of uploading/downloading activities you are referring to. It will, however, have a module for the downloading (PDF format) of some of its own content (articles, research notes, etc.). This will only be available to subscribers.

With regards to “uploading” to and, presumably “downloading” from the Forum, see next comment.

Am I wrong in assuming that means that uploading "for purposes
of discussion" with moderators occasionally cleaning up behind lapsed threads (as was done at Yahoogroups) will no longer be possible (at least not by the general membership of the forum)?

The basic policy regarding uploading/downloading (in the context of the Forum activities) has been presented earlier. For a number of reasons, including legal ones, the Forum and, by extension, the Journal cannot afford to perpetuate the situation that existed in the good ol’ days of Palanth-l. Anyway, you know as well as I do that, in the latter case, the situation that prevailed would better be described as “freeloading”, and that the vast majority of the “papers” in circulation were, with or without the “for purposes of discussion” excuse, never actually discussed. To make a long story short, you are not wrong and I should add that I find this as frustrating as you and others do, and that -- if it is to make you and others feel better -- we are looking into the possibility of coming up with perfectly acceptable (legally speaking) alternatives. More on this later.

Is it valid to assume that uploading of abstracts need not be similarly curtailed, since they are intended for public consumption, provided that you require the authors and the publisher of the full paper are cited?

This has also been discussed before. Abstracts, if properly presented, are perfectly acceptable.

It seems to me that you have taken on the possibility of increased liability in regard to copyright infringement over what you had as moderators of a group at Yahoo.  You are offering an expanded service and this additional "cost" is really a very small expense to the rest of us.

Given what has been said before and above concerning the Forum’s position vis-à-vis "copyright infringement", I don’t see how it can lead to "increased liability".

Palanth admin